Re: [Anadolu_Arkeolojisi] Re: Çatalda Türkler

From: Faruk Demirci <farukdemirci_at_....>
Date: Thu 28 Apr 2005 - 19:02:18 EEST


  Catalhöyük' de Türkler olsa nolur, Ýtalyanlar olsa nolur, keltler olsa nolur britonlar olsa nolur, araplar olsa nolur, samiler olsa nolur, olmasa ne olur? Hala bu sacmalýk devam mý ediyor burada ya? --- Mer C Less <mercless@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bir çatal okuyucusu ve izleyicisi olarak;
> Catalhoyuk kazilari bilindigi gibi
> iki aşamada çalışmaları yürütülen bir kazı
> yeri olup, orta anadolu’da yer
> almaktadır. Burada ortaya çıkarılan kültürün
> hem neolitik hemde kalkolitik
> dönemlere ait olduğu da öteden beri
> bilinmektedir. Yeni dönem kazıları bu
> duruma biraz daha geniÅŸ bir perspektiften bakarak
> yerleÅŸmeyi daha iyi
> anlamayı amaçlamaktadır. Bu belirtilen Türkler
> ve Çatalhöyük konusuna
> aydınlık getirecek bir buluntudan ve bu konuya
> ilişkin her hangi bir yazı
> yerleşmede çalışan arkeologlar ve uzmanlarca
> ileri sürülmedi henüz. Buna
> benzer bir tezin ortaya atılması ve bunun da
> doğrulanması için bir çok
> farklı bilim dalının birlikte çalışmasına
> (hiç değilse genetikçi ordusu) ve
> sanırım uzun yıllara ihtiyaç olacaktır. Kaldı
> ki böyle bir tez de önce
> MANTIKSAL lık açısından ve KRONOLOJİK açıdan
> sorgulanmalıdır..Kültürel
> sürekliliğin ne olduğunu iyi kavramak
> gerekir..aksi takdirde buna benzer
> tezlere rastlamak her geçen gün artabilir...
>
> çatalhöyük çalışmaları teorik arkeoloji
> modellerinden bir veya bir kaçına
> uygun veya paralel gidiyor olabilir ama projenin
> amacı ırk sorununa çözüm
> getirmek olduğunu, özellikle türklerin kökenini
> araştırmak olduğunu hiç
> sanmıyorum. Bununla birlikte doğru olan kısım
> şudur: Evet..Çatalhöyükte
> türkler var..ve diğer arkeolog meslaktaşları ile
> birlikte çalışmalarına
> devam ediyorlar..
>
>
> On 4/25/05 10:25 PM,
> "Anadolu_Arkeolojisi@yahoogroups.com"
> <Anadolu_Arkeolojisi@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There are 3 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Son paragrafa DIKKAT---Striking Remarks
> By Erich Feigl
> > From: Kamil Kartal
> <allingus2001@yahoo.com>
> > 2. Son paragrafa DIKKAT---Striking Remarks
> By Erich Feigl
> > From: Kamil Kartal
> <allingus2001@yahoo.com>
> > 3. Re: CATALHOYUK ve TURKLER
> > From: "Kamil KARTAL"
> <allingus2001@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> >

>



> >

>

> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:47:17 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Kamil Kartal <allingus2001@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Son paragrafa DIKKAT---Striking Remarks
> By Erich Feigl
> >
> >
> >
> > Striking Remarks By Erich FeiglPublished:
> 4/22/2005
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BY TUFAN TURENC
> > HURRIYET- A panel on �Turkish-Armenian Relations
> and Historical Facts� was
> > held earlier this week at Istanbul Technical
> University (ITU). Among the
> > speakers at the panel was well-known Austrian
> author and documentary filmmaker
> > Professor Erich Feigl, who made various incisive
> remarks during his speech.
> > Feigl is an expert on Middle Eastern, Central
> Asian and American cultures and
> > religions. He has produced several documentaries
> which have attracted
> > worldwide attention. He became acquainted with the
> events of 1915 while doing
> > historical research, and he quickly developed an
> interest in the issue.
> > Meanwhile, Turkish Attaché for Labor and Social
> Affairs in Vienna Erdogan
> > Ozen, a close friend of his, was murdered by the
> terrorist Armenian Secret
> > Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) in
> 1984. Ozen�s murder affected him
> > so much that he wrote a book on Armenian terror
> called �A Myth of Terror.�
> > In his speech, Feigl lamented that Turkey has been
> unable to counter the
> > psychological war waged by the Armenians. Feigl
> said that the total number of
> > Armenians who lived under Ottoman rule was 1.7
> million, and only 700,000 of
> > them were sent away by the Ottomans. Therefore,
> their assertion that 1.5
> > million Armenians were killed is nonsensical.
> > Feigl also presented a new document, in which
> Boghos Nubar, leader of the
> > Armenians in exile early in the last centrury,
> admits that the Armenians took
> > sides with the enemy during the war. �It�s
> most fortunate that I could
> > discover this document before the Armenians could
> find and destroy it,� Feigl
> > said. �Because they have successfully destroyed
> almost every document against
> > them.�
> > Feigl also urged that Turkey not agree to discuss
> their claims, let alone
> > recognize them. �If you recognize their claims
> or even agree to discuss the
> > issue with them, next they will demand your money
> and land. You should never
> > ever do that,� he said.
> > Feigl ended his speech with a striking statement:
> �This land is yours. You
> > didn�t settle in Anatolia after the Battle of
> Malazgirt. Archeological
> > findings at Catalhoyuk prove that you have been
> here for more than 10,000
> > years�.
> >
> >
> > http://turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=40719
> >
> >
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>

> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:56:06 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Kamil Kartal <allingus2001@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Son paragrafa DIKKAT---Striking Remarks
> By Erich Feigl
> >
> >
> >
> > Striking Remarks By Erich FeiglPublished:
> 4/22/2005
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BY TUFAN TURENC
> > HURRIYET- A panel on �Turkish-Armenian Relations
> and Historical Facts� was
> > held earlier this week at Istanbul Technical
> University (ITU). Among the
> > speakers at the panel was well-known Austrian
> author and documentary filmmaker
> > Professor Erich Feigl, who made various incisive
> remarks during his speech.
> > Feigl is an expert on Middle Eastern, Central
> Asian and American cultures and
> > religions. He has produced several documentaries
> which have attracted
> > worldwide attention. He became acquainted with the
> events of 1915 while doing
> > historical research, and he quickly developed an
> interest in the issue.
> > Meanwhile, Turkish Attaché for Labor and Social
> Affairs in Vienna Erdogan
> > Ozen, a close friend of his, was murdered by the
> terrorist Armenian Secret
> > Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) in
> 1984. Ozen�s murder affected him
> > so much that he wrote a book on Armenian terror
> called �A Myth of Terror.�
>

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